EDIT
30-04-2015:
Added/changed a few lines to Gilgamesh, Lucifer, Pandora and
Royalguard. Thanks to cdudeachyut
and SBK91
for contributions.
EDIT
05-05-2015:
More changes added to nearly every single element in the list, fixed
some typos and descriptions for clarity, removed a couple lines. All
changes are marked with brackets.
This is my
list of suggested fixes, tweaks and changes to DMC4 Dante's movelist.
I could've written this list 7 years ago, but I didn't. Now with a
Special Edition just around the corner, I feel it's time to mention
all the things Capcom is most likely not
going to
– for lack of a better word – repair,
in this incarnation of Dante.
I'd like to think I covered everything in this list, but it's easy to
miss a thing or two, however obvious they may seem. Please let me
know if there are any relevant changes you would like to see included
in this list.
I must also ask of everyone who supports this list to leave a comment
of some kind, perhaps in the form of a signature, and share it with
everyone who might be interested. Who knows, maybe Capcom will notice
if it gets high enough exposure.
(In other words like shayurrr & susbCRYYYYY!!!)
Rebellion
- Round Trip
- Reduce/remove windup frames
- Increase attack duration (to 5 seconds)
- Allow charging while holding other weapons
- Reduce damage a bit
- Improve accuracy for all directions
- Allow lock-on to determine which target is affected
- Allow sword to fly over to other enemies upon killing locked-on target
- [Allow the Melee attack [or Style button with Swordmaster equipped] to be used for hand-to-hand attacks i.e. Thrust Kick, one-hit Kick13, dive kick, etc. (or something new)]
- Quick Drive
- Give it enemy-launching properties
- Change the input to Hold Melee button from the first ground slash (Like in the DMC3 demo)
- Helm Breaker
- [Remove knockdown from the first hit. This change is made with the inclusion of The Hammer for Gilgamesh in mind.]
- Dance Macabre
- Allow the dash to be canceled out of
- Give the dash launching properties when hitting already launched enemies
- Increase vertical range of the dash so it's easier to hit targets above Dante
- Make every hit fatal to enemies
- Bring back Air Raid (DMC1-3) with Lock-on + Jump as the input (must be pushed at the same time, rather than holding then pressing the other). Allows Dante to use his wings and fly around. Can use guns while flying, Jealousy (Pandora) can be extended for the duration of the flight. Melee attack button performs Vortex. Can be upgraded to Vortex lvl 2. Pressing the Jump button either performs an Air Hike (if available) or allows Dante to drop. Style button still performs Style actions as normal, canceling him out of Air Raid.
Gilgamesh
- Combo A
- Shorten start up frames of the finisher when uncharged
- Combo B
- Widen the range of the finisher
- Multikicks
- Make multikicks cancelable
- Bring back Hyperfist (from DMC3) to the multikicks. Alternatively, allow the multikicks to be extended
- Increase the number of kicks when charged depending on charge level
- Reduce overall damage of charged multikicks
- [Kick13: Replace Just Frame Charge Level 1 and 2 with Kick13 and DT Kick 13 (can be done while unDT'd) respectively, move Rising Sun to its own Melee button back input]
- (DT) Kick13
- [Bind to Melee + Style buttons with Swordmaster equipped]
- [Alternatively: Move to Combo B finisher (read above changes)]
- Allow Dante to adjust direction when not holding the lock-on button
- [Allow Dante to automatically veer towards the closest enemy when not locked-on to anything]
- [Allow Dante to automatically veer towards locked-on enemy if he's somehow facing away, or the enemy moves away]
- Allow (DT) Kick 13 to be canceled out of after every non-finisher
- Reduce overall damage a bit
- Increase launching strength of the launcher kick, sending launched enemies higher
- Draw / Straight
- Move to Melee button forward input (read Kick13 changes)
- Remove Draw
- When DT'd, Straight is replaced with Hyperfist, except when already charging
- Replace the Melee button back input with Rising Sun
- Rising Sun
- One of three choices:a. Move to the Melee back input (read Draw / Straight changes)b. Let it stay where it is (at the end of DT Kick13)
- If. a):
- Add charging levels 1 & 2
- Charge Level 2 adds a third kick
- Just Frame Charge Level 1 adds a third kick
- Just Frame Charge Level 2 adds a third and fourth kick
- Re-balance overall damage
- Full House
- Rename to Killer Bee. (Yes, I'm serious. C'mon, guys.)
- Allow angle to adjust according to locked-on target's distance
- Gradually increase falling speed when longer in the air
- Flush
- Lengthen duration of flames beyond the jumping animation if not canceled out of
- Slightly increase overall range
- Add Melee attack properties so it can be used to parry/clash attacks with
- [Allow Flush to appear when jumping immediately after switching to Gilgamesh without having to wait for Dante's appearance to update]
- Beast Uppercut / Rising Dragon / Divine Dragon
- One of two choices:a. Move to the Back Melee button input (and let Rising Sun stay in DT Kick13)b. Remove altogether. (and move Rising Sun to Melee button input, read Draw/Straight changes)c. Replace with Shock. (and move Rising Sun to Melee button input, read Draw/Straight changes)
- If a.):
- Allow Rising Dragon to be performed with a second press of the Melee attack button before the uppercut comes out (Like in DMC3)
- Charge levels and Just Charges of Beast Uppercut:
- Increase in damage
- Dante quickly slides forward (Similar to Magma Drive from DMC1) depending on charge level, this can be used to further avoid medium/high attacks as he lowers his hitbox
- After charging, Dante can slightly adjust the direction of his punch left or right after releasing the button, this improves accuracy and success rate when locked-on to a target somewhat in front of Dante and also allows the player to deviate left or right a bit with the analog stick.
- Just Frame Charges increase the speed at which Dante moves and boost damage a bit.
- After charging, a second press of the Melee button cancels Beast Uppercut into Rising Dragon. Divine Dragon is a fully charged Rising Dragon.
- Just Frame Charges drastically increase the overall speed & number of hits of Rising/Divine Dragon
- If b.): Read Shock changes below
- Shock
- Change input to Forward Style button (read Beast Uppercut / Rising Dragon / Divine Dragon changes)
- Increase the overall radius and range of every level of Charge and Just Charge to better represent the larger explosions
- Slightly reduce recovery frames after successfully performing a Just Frame Charge
- Just Frame Charge Level 2 creates an additional low-damage shockwave that launches all enemies close to Dante, though it'd most likely kill DMD Scarecrows and any enemy with similar health values.
- With the Style button on its own, Dante then performs a projectile similar to Zodiac/Meteor (DMC1/3) on the ground, and The Hammer (DMC3) in the air. (Read their respective details below)
- Shocking!
- Reduce start up frames a bit
- Increase range of the explosion depending on the height from which Dante falls
- Up to double jump height = uncharged explosion damage with the range of a Charge Level 1
- From double jump height to the equivalent height of four jumps = Charge Level 2 explosion with less damage output
- Any higher than the equivalent of four jumps = Just Frame Charge Level 2 explosion with less damage output
- Zodiac/Meteor (projectile fireball)
- Bind to Style button (read Shock / Shocking! details above) Depending on the graphic, either name works.
- Can be charged by holding the button, has Level 1 & 2 Charges, as well as Just Frame variations.
- Uncharged: Small projectile, infinite range, travels as fast as a Drive, low damage (about as much as a Hatred shot). Dante recovers as quickly as he did in DMC3.
- Charge Level 1: Slightly larger projectile, deals 1.5x damage.
- Just Frame Charge Level 1: Deals 2.0x damage, can pierce through and hit multiple enemies, travels faster, Dante recovers more quickly. If button is pressed again in time with the shot, Dante can fire up to two more projectiles, each one dealing 1.7x damage.
- Charge Level 2: Twice as large projectile, deals 2.0x damage, explodes on impact, hitting multiple targets.
- Just Frame Charge Level 2: Deals 3.0x damage, can pierce through and hit multiple enemies, travels even faster, Dante recovers more quickly, can be extended with timed button presses up to 2 additional shots at 2.0 damage each, and every enemy hit by the fireball will detonate a couple of seconds later at 1.7x damage. The explosion can hit multiple targets but has smaller range.
- Every explosion/detonation has the same knock back strength as a Stinger.
- The Hammer (aerial knock down punch from DMC3)
- Bind to Style button in the air (read Shock / Shocking! details above)
- Reduce output damage
- Knocked down enemy bounces right back up
- When DT'd, knocked down enemy causes a shockwave to knock back nearby enemies
- Real Impact
- Bring back Tornado (from DMC3)
Lucifer
- [Any blades left floating in the air will be ready to explode, so any enemy that comes into contact with them will suffer a normal hit (as opposed to being pinned without hitstun. Does not affect blades pinned into enemies.]
- Combo A-E
- Shorten frames between the first and second attack of the ground combo
- Add more attack combo variations when delaying button presses
- Reduce delay required between button presses
- Ecstasy
- Allow thrown rose to persist after switching to a different Devil Arm
- Splash
- Reduce recovery frames
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- Remove delay between releasing the button and blades flying into position
- Increase speed at which the blades fly towards enemies
- [Both formations summon all 15 blades by default]
- Climax
- Increase/double the time the blades are allowed to stay before automatically detonating
- [Summons all 15 blades]
Ebony
& Ivory
- Bring back Wild Stomp (from DMC3)
-
- When already charged or shooting, allow Twosome Time / Honey Comb Fire / Rainstorm to use Charged Shots
- Twosome Time
- [Remove startup frames when canceling other moves]
- Remove automatic aim
- Remove recovery frames
- Improve cancellation when used in between melee attacks
Coyote-A
Shotgun
- Normal/Air Shot
- Remove delay between the first button press and the first gunshot when already locked-on
- Reduce recovery frames as to improve cancellation into other moves
- Charge Shot
- When already charged or shooting, allow (Air) Fireworks / Gunstinger / Backslide to use Charged Shots
- (Air) Fireworks
- Improve accuracy and range
- Reduce recovery frames
- Allow the ability to extend number of shots by tapping the button
- Backslide
- Improve overall accuracy and range
- Gunstinger
- Slightly reduce recovery frames
- Bring back Point Blank (from DMC3)
Pandora
- [Increase amount of Disaster gauge gained from every non-Gunslinger shot]
- Omen
- Allow start-up animation to be canceled out of
- Grief
- Allow Dante to move freely, but won't be able to use Pandora again until it returns
- Grief will continue until the Disaster gauge has depleted
- [Can be used in the air]
- Argument
- [Make the whole startup animation cancelable.] (honestly I'd rather remove it and just bring back Air Raid)
Trickster
- Allow Double and Triple Dashing
- Improve area of contact for triggering Mustang on smaller enemies
- Bring back Wall Hike (wall running from DMC3)
- [Allow Dante to run along as many walls and other vertical surfaces as possible]
Royalguard
- Increase amount of Rage gained from Royal Blocks (aka Just Guards)
- Increase damage output when the Rage meter is completely full
- Allow Block to cancel Dante out of side-rolls
- Make the graphical and sound effects for Royal Blocks to be brighter, louder, and overall look and feel more rewarding to perform.
- [Regular enemies are stunned when their melee attacks are Just Guarded, except when DT'd]
- [Allow Dante to always pierce through small/regular enemies/targets with Royal Releases (aka Just Releases)]
Dark
Slayer
- Slash Dimension C/F
- Allow the start-up animation to be canceled out of after the back-step and before the actual attack
- [Merge both into a single Style button + Back attack input that adapts to the distance of locked-on target without increasing maximum range]
- [Replace the Forward input with a different attack. What kind of attack is entirely up for debate and open to suggestions. There's just no reason for two Slash Dimensions.]
- [Suggested replacement: Sword Pierce (from DMC3) with Yamato.]
- [Sword Pierce]
- [Dante throws Yamato at a locked-on target and it sticks to most enemies.]
- [Deals as much damage and knockback impact as Rebellion Stinger.]
- [While stuck to an enemy, it drills and inflicts minor damage, hitting once every second.]
- [After 10 hits, it automatically returns.]
- [If it kills the enemy it's pinned to, Yamato automatically returns to Dante.]
- [If the initial thrust kills the enemy, Yamato automatically pins to the nearest enemy.]
- [If the initial thrust doesn't hit an enemy that can be pinned, then it immediately returns to Dante.]
- [While returning, Yamato pierces through enemies in its path.]
- [Enemies it does not stick to:]
- [Shielded Bianco/Alto Angelo, armored Blitz, cloaked Faust, Cutlasses while swimming, Frosts while teleporting, Faults, Berial, Bael/Dagon, Echidna, shielded Angelo Credo, Doppelganger Dante]
- [While DT'd, Yamato it will pierce through all enemies in the area]
- [If already stuck to an enemy, Yamato hits faster when DT'd.]
- Aerial Rave V
- Slightly reduce startup frames
- Slightly reduce height lost when jump canceling
Other
changes/features
- Have Enemy Step by default
- Have Speed by default
- Have a running Taunt
- Suggested running Taunt: A kick that launches enemies into the air
- Improve cancellation of all taunts
- Improve Style meter gain of all taunts
- Bring back Free Ride, allowing Dante to land on a downed enemy i.e. Scarecrows, Assaults, de-cloaked Mephistos/Fausts, etc. and ride it like a skateboard (from DMC3).
- Suggested new Free Ride features:
- Shooting the Shotgun performs Fireworks while spinning around, knocking back every enemy hit
- Can taunt while riding
- Can slice enemies with Rebellion while riding
- Can charge & perform Shock while riding
- Can shoot Lucifer blades in all directions while spinning with Climax
